Tuesday, 7 February 2012

Reprise or Riposte?

“In a dynamic, commercial world, getting involved in commissioning your own bespoke technical solution is a seriously risky business”. So said Capoco Design last week in a 3,700-word essay on TfL’s New Bus for London.

ADL Enviro 400 as redesigned by Capoco

Capoco, you may recall, was the design house that Autocar commissioned in December 2007 to produce a vision for a new Routemaster, the RMXL. Capoco was apparently paid just £750 for it. The result was “the firestorm of popular and political reaction” that took the famous design house by surprise. “It served as a firelighter to a bonfire of profanities” right at the time when London mayoral hopeful Boris Johnson was challenging the supremacy of the articulated bus.

There followed a public competition and, later, a manufacturing competition. Two submissions were eventually shortlisted, from Wrightbus and ADL. Capoco confirms that there were, in fact, not one but two from ADL, one in collaboration with Foster & Aston Martin; and the other with Capoco. Instead, TfL seems to have gone direct to Heatherwick Studio, by-passing even Wrightbus.

The Autocar design from Capoco that seems to have lit the blue touch paper

Not surprisingly, Capoco feels its own design would’ve been the street wise thing to do. It was, after all, based on the world’s best-selling double deck (the Enviro 400) plus the world’s best-selling hybrid system (BAe Systems). Capoco argues that both in the short- and long-term, as technology advances, BAe offers and will offer the best fuel economy. What could go wrong?

As it is, Capoco states that the project probably cost four times the normal commercial programme and this is why LT (and others) “got out of design manufacturing decades ago”. Continuing, Capoco adds “to hand Wrightbus a monopoly over London’s double deck fleet is dubious”. If TfL forces tenderers to use the NB4L then, according to Capoco, it has sponsored a commercial monopoly using public funds.

Capoco also considers the market for the bus, outside London. It concludes that there isn’t one outside RHD markets because of the expense of shifting the gubbins at the back from one side to the other. And even Hong Kong, loyal to the English double deck, would be unwilling to buy a bus whose open platform would negate the work of the required hefty AC unit. As for cascading to the provinces, forget it, they argue. Two redundant doors and a redundant staircase mean a lot of “dead non-revenue earning real estate back there”.

We doubt, though, whether Londoners will share Capoco’s concerns. They may look at the design teaser, top, and see a bus that is startling. But those who care will look longingly and wistfully at the old Routemaster and simply be pleased that London can again have its automotive glory.

As for the “exquisite mechanical design” of the old RM, Capoco reminds us that problems saw the fleet virtually all taken off the road in the 1960s; that build volumes were uneconomically low because no one outside London wanted it; and that its development was so slow that by the time it arrived in numbers, rear platforms had their day in favour of rear engines… will history repeat itself?

And Capoco doesn’t really answer whether the NBfL is actually needed, or not. But its views make interesting reading.

i Capoco article on the New Bus for London

19 comments:

McAnonymous said...

Perhaps Hong King's loyalty to the double deck might better be described to reflect the fact that most of the parts come from Falkirk.

Anonymous said...

Jesus, Mary and Joseph. Which way round is that black thing?

Anonymous said...

You can drive a chassis without the body.

You can't drive the body without a chassis!

Anonymous said...

When this scheme was first announced I had a bet that Wrightbus would get the contract.
I do not know what went on behind the scenes but as NI is classed as an economy in need of help, hence the over £1m in taxpayer grant for the development of the Streetlite, I believe Wrightbus were favoured.
The fact that ADL appeared to have the better product obviously did not come into it.

Anonymous said...

The autocar design seems more sensible with only the two door.

The second staircase could be removed if they wanted to use them oustide of London but I doubt that it would be much of an issue as most places dont need the extra capacity

With the TfL version it would be the extra set of doors and the open platform that would be the problem. This will be an issue as the market in London would not be large enough and I cannot see it selling outside of London

Anonymous said...

No point in expecting any built for London to ever end up working in the provinces - 2 staircases, open rear entrance and far too few seats for the obvious schools work.

It will be interesting to see just how many get built.

David said...

If operators are finding it hard to get sufficient work for the ex-London Citaro bendies, just wait until they try and find new uses for the Borismaster once the next mayor decides it's a waste of metal.

I still can't quite get my head around just what on earth is wrong with a big shiny fleet of Enviro400 and Eclipse Gemini hybrids.

Anonymous said...

If Capoco/ADL want to make a new decker for the UK, do it. It would be interesting to see whether a bit more style could drive passenger growth (ftr 2 perhaps?).

viewfromthesouth said...

Listen guys, NBFL is needed. After all, if we didn't have it, the Hendy and Daniels show would have to revert to their previous practice of celebrating the past by posing around the capital in a Routemaster toy at every opportunity. As "David" comments "I still can't quite get my head around just what on earth is wrong with a big shiny fleet of Enviro400 and Eclipse Gemini hybrids". I had cause to spend a few hours in London last week and sampled E400 (conventional and hybrid), Omnidekka (Polish built), DB300 and B9/Wright. Nothing wrong with any of them. But then, there was nothing wrong with the Citaro Gs either.........

viewfromthesouth said...

PS - @ anonymous; careful what you say. FTR 1 didn't really live up to the hype in any way, shape or form, did it?

Anonymous said...

So.Do we want a political bus or a practical bus? Simple.sm

Anonymous said...

"PS - @ anonymous; careful what you say. FTR 1 didn't really live up to the hype in any way, shape or form, did it?"

You're right, the concept would be more akin to Stagecoach Gold thinking about it. Conventional width, reliability, route flexibility, albeit possibly with conductors. I live in York so I completely forgot about the whole concept of a 'track'!

Anonymous said...

The bus really needed to have an increased capacity. The second stair case is helfull for improving passenger flow. The bus though should have been designed to carry upto say about a 100 passengers

viewfromthesouth said...

@ Anonymous 18:48; second staircase = less seats. How do you propose 100 capacity without making it even longer and therefore less manouvrable?

Mikey C said...

I'd like to see NB4L in proper action before casting a judgement. And however expensive a bespoke design may be, compared with the cost of tube extensions, Crossrail or even light rail, it's very affordable.

Maybe it was another era, but if 2700 Routemasters wasn't economical to produce, then how did the likes of Dennis (before the Dart), East Lancs, Optare etc survive on their much smaller production volumes? Nobody says the 1967 stock on the Victoria Line is uneconomical because it's unique to London, and can't be resold!

TheManWhi said...

As a proud London, I can honestly say, I have yet to be captured by all the hype behind the BorisMaster. Beauty may be in the eye of the beholder, but most definitely not mine- IMO it's the ugliest thing on 4(6?) wheels to ever find itself on the road..

Put simply- does London need the NB4L? In my opinion, no it doesn't, just the same as Edinburgh, Cardiff or Belfast don't need their own bespoke bus. Perhaps that Volvo Ailsa that had two staircases and a door right at the back was a bit ahead of it's time!

What's wrong with a fleet of ADL Enviro 400 Hybrids? Nothing at all, I've found them to be very good vehicles (as a passenger), and the Volvo B5HL to be a slightly less than pleasurable experience.

NB4L is (IMO) an expensive vanity project for Boris, an expensive project that costs far too much money (I hate to think just how much converting the whole of the 38 to NB4L operation).

Speaking as a Londoner, what London needs is continued and increased investment in it's current network, improving frequencies even more to cater for the continuing growth in Londons population- not an impractically design

(sorry, rant over)

James C said...

I just wonder what happens if Boris isn't re-elected as London Mayor. Is Ken going to want to see 'Borismasters' all over London or do we then have another cull as we have recently seen with the artics? It's as though buses are the Mayor's toys.

Anonymous said...

I agree that it needs to seat far more people but it's already long for a rigid. Perhaps the original brief from Boris should have been for a bendi-decker.

crossleydd42 said...

We know that the statement 'nobody else wanted the RM' is untrue. Northern General took 51, not a large order, but proves the statement was incorrect.