Remember the recent post on rubber wheels playing Second Fiddle to steel? Remember the 50-plus comments it generated? Remember in particular the arguments for and against enforced bus/rail connections?

In Nottingham next weekend, Premiere starts a new service that not only parallels the tram rails, it obviates a bus-tram connection. So, is this duplication of effort or does it offer something that passengers want?
5th September is the date of the new half-hourly Red 8 that links the Hucknall estates with Hucknall and Nottingham. Passengers from the estates have hitherto relied upon Trent Barton’s Connect, called the “really good link to the tram” but also providing a connection with Trent Barton Rainbow 3.
The tram operates every 12 minutes from Hucknall and Rainbow 3 every 10. The problem is the connecting service through Hucknall. Yes, it too operates every 10 minutes over most of its length but passengers have apparently felt the withdrawal of the clockwise loop. The remaining anti-clockwise service means a longer journey time for some (though, of course, those who have the longer time to Hucknall benefit from the shorter time on the return). Red 8 goes clockwise.
On the face of it, a 10-minute connection into a 12-minute tram or 10-minute bus seems more than adequate. Will a through bus be better? The end-to-end journey time from the Ruffs Estate to Nottingham on Red 8 is 36 minutes with a through fare and no inconvenience of changing. By Connect and tram, this is also 36 minutes plus connection time at Hucknall of six, eight, zero, two or four minutes. And, in the reverse direction, because of the one-way loop, add five minutes to get back to Ruffs on Connect.
You wouldn’t expect Trent Barton to sit on its hands. It’s PR masquerades under the time-honoured “We’ve listened to our customers” approach (I’ve used it myself). Said its commercial director Alex Hornby, “We are about to rethink our services in Hucknall following appeals from our customers”. A nice touch of honesty, even humility, actually never hurt anyone. Expect the clockwise service to be reintroduced this autumn.
Continued Hornby, “It is only through listening to customers that we can develop sustainable services that meet the needs of local communities”. Never mind that Trent Barton’s actions have allowed a competitor to sneak in. Forget that the Connect reinstatement results from the Premiere incursion. And disregard the fact that the withdrawal of the clockwise Connect variant was designed to make the unviable Connect sustainable by reducing PVR 4 to 3. Indeed, the reinstated clock- & anti-clockwise pattern is understood to use but three vehicles.
But give Trent Barton its due, it’s customer focused and it does tend to listen. And it’s now introduced a lower-priced £10 weekly ticket from Hucknall estates, valid on Rainbow 3. Red 8’s *introductory* fares will be £5 per week (at, of course, a lower frequency).
And let’s not forget that the current 10-minute local service (Connect) connecting with a 10-minute trunk service (Rainbow 3) makes more sense than Connect running every 7½ combined clock- and anti-clockwise. I know what I’d prefer but passengers haven’t seen it like that.
Then there’s Red 8’s competition with the tram itself. Your Bus tried this (downstream, from Bulwell) but this proved unsustainable in the long term. Red 8 doesn’t make the mistake of paralleling the tram, though. Rather, it takes on Rainbow 3. But perhaps in linking the route to the Hucknall estates Premiere has come up with a formula that might prove more justifiable. It seems that here is a new test bed of through journeys at a lower frequency versus higher frequencies but with a need to change.

17 comments:
Changes are being made in September to make the connect more reliable, then the blue route is being re-introduced in October. Surely if trent barton were really reacting to passengers response they would have made the October changes earlier.
"On the face of it, a 10-minute connection into a 12-minute tram or 10-minute bus seems more than adequate."
A 10-minute connection into a 10-minute bus service works. A 10-minute connection into a 12-minute tram service seems rather silly.
I hate to think which one it's *really* aimed at :)
Neil
Though the verdict by passengers where there is a choice will certainly be interesting.
Regarding the concept of integrated networks - the oft-cited criticism based on the Tyne & Wear experience of the 80's after the opening of the Metro often seems rather hollow, because it almost always seems to fall back on the example of Newcastle city centre bound pax from south of the Tyne being turfed off a bus at Gateshead Interchange for a one or two stop trip north on the Metro.
If this one particular example could be put aside, then I think the rest of the T&W integrated network (as was) made a lot of sense. And one significant reason why pax in T&W nowadays don't make such multi-modal journeys is that the ticketing system discourages them from doing so.
Re running a bus to compete with the tram in Nottingham - sounds daft, is daft, I'd say.
A couple of comments:
1. Premiere did operate a peak time only service from the Hucknall Estates into Nottingham until a couple of years ago. Can't remember if it was tendered or not
2. The Red 8 will be interworked with newly won tendered service 2. This tender win may, or may not, have provided a reason for starting the Red 8. But whatever, it does allow Premiere to target passengers from places like Selston who can connect onto the Red 8 in Hucknall.
The lesson here is passengers would rather not change if there is a through service.Perhaps Premiers and other operators in similar circumstances should run as an all stops to the change point ,then limited or non stop to the city centre.
"The lesson here is passengers would rather not change if there is a through service."
If changing is substantially faster, more frequent or more comfortable, and the change is not onerous, I'm not sure I agree.
This will be a most interesting experiment.
Lol premiere must love this! Wonder how many hits your web site receives today via premieres Facebook link?
& @ the first post, dosn't trentbarton have to wait 56 days before they can add the blue route? Also I could be wrong but wasn't it Dunnline who ran the Hucknall flyer after Trent withdrew.
Maybe the actions of Trent Barton have allowed a competitor to sneak in as Busing says, and maybe Premiere feel they can work on lower margins. However, the actions of Trent Barton also suggest that there is only limited profit to be made on the Hucknall Estates-Nottingham corridor, given that company's regular pattern of investment on busier routes.
Firstly, Connect was reduced because it was deemed to be unviable at the previous level of service. The fact that people complained does not alter the viability, but the complaints may well have encouraged Premiere to “give it a go” and good luck to them for trying.
Secondly, Trent Barton's Rainbow 3, which once justified new vehicles now runs with vehicles amongst the oldest in its fleet, and the advent of the tram doubtless led to a significant reduction in passengers on Rainbow 3, perhaps making frequent investment difficult to justify.
In addition, Rainbow 3 and Red 8 are paralleled for much of their length by Nottingham City Transport services, so there are already plenty of buses available.
Having said all that, it will be interesting to see how passengers react now to the availability of a through service and whether Premiere can make enough to keep the service going.
Even using ex-Brighton & Hove Tridents on the new route it will be difficult to keep to the tight timetable. However, Trent/Wellgalde seem to need a bit of a 'kick' nowadays if they are to retain their 'truly wonderful' motto and it will be interesting to see Premiere's loadings.
Only 26 days' notice need be given for a new/amended service, provided the application is accompanied by someone from the local authority who will state that they back the decision.
"Only 26 days' notice need be given for a new/amended service, provided the application is accompanied by someone from the local authority who will state that they back the decision."
Err no...they can back acceptance of less than 56 days notice, but only if they're also prepared to certify there are no competitive implications.
Two comments on this. Once again, Trent Barton seems to be chasing a competitor. They used to be known for being ahead of the game and an operator to look to for inspiration. No longer.
Secondly, I do not think that passengers are necessarily against changing. In Sheffield, Stagecoach have made a success of their Supertram linking route, with First cutting back on their direct service. Other factors, such as price and frequency may have an effect, but it appears that passengers are happy to change.
Obviously, there are cases where the introduction of a direct service has proved to be more popular, but its clearly not as simple as many of us might have thought.
Perfect timing for NCT's brown line along Hucknall Rd, 15&16 are getting brand new buses in a couple of weeks although I wouldn't expect premiere will make any difference to the Hucknall Rd corridor or much impact on rainbow3 either, it's connect & the tram premiere's red8 will affect, premiere are promoting "why connect when you can go direct" it's the sort of slogan you'd expect from trentbarton.
Trent rebranded 346 into the Hucknall flyer a few years ago before the tram came, from double decks (yes double decks! Trent did have them once lol) to solos. If the numbers was there I can't see TB giving in so easily to scrap direct & opt for "town service" & connect. With these £1 fares premiere will certainly grab some passengers from Trent BUT can they sustain almost 8 miles for £1 realistically? It's going to be interesting around Hucknall from now......
i think trent should work with premiere and sort something even better like the pronto which is run by 2 companys shorley its better that trent sending their spys on premiere this would make the red 8 and connect and the rainbow 3 perfect for everyone
Anonymous said...
"i think trent should work with premiere..."
Maybe. More importantly, I think you should work with a dictionary and grammar text book! Then we might understand what you are trying to say.
To quote Metroman ... "Once again, Trent Barton seems to be chasing a competitor. They used to be known for being ahead of the game and an operator to look to for inspiration. No longer."
Why? trent barton stick to what makes them great. From what I know that's excellent drivers, excellent customer service, and good, wholesome, profitable routes. This would not include a Hucknall Flyer type route which was abondoned by Trent then Dunn Line then even Premiere themselves some years ago.
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