Sunday, 22 August 2010

On Low Floors & Wheelchairs—Part 4

Post Manchester buses incident over the failure to accommodate a wheelchair passenger, which resulted in a You Tube video and the sacking of the driver concerned, RC169 concludes regarding complaints and the media…

Part 1 ~ Part 2 ~ Part 3

Reporting the Incident

The other aspect of the Manchester story that seems to have generated almost as much reaction as the incident itself, is the manner of its reporting.

Technology has developed to the point that it is probably just as easy for somebody to use their mobile phone to make a short video clip, as it is to write down the details of the bus number, route number, time, date, details of what happened, etc, in a notebook. Several years ago, I noticed that trainspotters had taken to recording the numbers of locos seen using cassette recorders instead of notebooks and pencils, so arguably, this is just an extension of that approach.

Of course, the internet, and sites like You Tube in particular, provide the video maker with an opportunity for self-promotion, but I think the involvement of the local newspaper was crucial in bringing this story to such a wide audience. I doubt that many people scan the thousands of videos uploaded to You Tube regularly to see if there is a newsworthy item of interest to themselves, so I suspect that, without the local media help, on You Tube alone the incident would possibly have remained undetected for some time.

The media have long presented themselves as champions of consumers, and other people who may have grievances of some form. They can sometimes be effective, and sometimes the organisations being complained about are unresponsive to individual complaints.

To be fair, my (unscientific) analysis and experience suggests that this is not generally the case with bus operators in the UK. The only operator I have had reason to complain to in recent years is, in fact, First, from whom I received a prompt and satisfactory reply which indicated that they had taken my complain seriously.

Unfortunately, there have been a few exceptions—going a few years further back, I complained to an independent operator in the Sheffield area about a journey that did not run, and received a reply to the effect that they didn't really know what happened once the bus had left the depot, and couldn't do much about it if the driver didn't operate according to the schedule.

Or, a complaint to the Deutsche Bahn (German Railways) about one of their trains is likely to bring a response explaining that they are one of the biggest transport operators in Europe, and run over 30,000 trains a day, and implying that one should not be too surprised if a few of those don't run punctually. It becomes quite clear that it has no intention of investigating the specific incident that the complainant has referred to.

This sort of attitude frustrates customers, and it is not surprising that they seek other avenues for making their complaints. Disaffected customers may, understandably, not want to miss an opportunity to embarrass the organisations that are the object of their frustration/anger/concern. For the media, there is, of course, a certain risk—in that the organisation being complained about may be a valued advertising customer, whom it may be politic not to upset.

I'm not quite sure what this says about freedom of speech or the independence of the press. However, for a bus operator, it suggests that the best course of action is to cultivate a good relationship with the media, and at least try to ensure that they are made aware of such complaints at the earliest possible moment, so as to be able to give a quick response. To hope that this method of complaint will go away is unrealistic, but a responsive complaint handling process may keep it to a minimum.

And, as Alex Hornby, late of Bluestar and now director of Trent Barton said on this very blog, complaints are valuable method of understanding your customers’ concerns. There is no better feedback.

31 comments:

Anonymous said...

The role of the media is an interesting one. My one time employer was on the receiving end of some very biased negative reporting by the local evening paper.

After trying to negotiate with the 'paper and present the companies view the MD decided to refuse advertising for the publication. They continued as before.

Regular front page headlines against the business continued, and nothing would make the journalists see that there might be another side to the story.

The MD eventually ended the "anti" reporting by saying he was going to use the advertising space on the fleet to place anti newspaper slogans.

Oddly, the newspaper didn't like their own medicine!

Anonymous said...

Is this the same Alex Hornby involved in this unfortunate episode?

Anonymous said...

Sorry, didn't realise that a hyperlink wouldn't work. Here's a copy of the text, courtesy of the Derbyshire Telegraph.

Banned from free speech – by a bus company

IT was Voltaire, that master of liberal philosophy, who was – erroneously as it happens – credited with the line: "I disapprove of what you say, but will defend to the death your right to say it." No one could argue with that. Except, it appears, a bus company.
This week, I was going to write about Trent Barton’s customer services phone line. But that will have to wait. Instead, I want to tell you that the same bus company has banned me. Not from its buses (at least I think not) but from writing on its Facebook page. The company’s commercial director, Alex Hornby, has told me that I’m “disruptive”. And even though Trent Barton doesn’t own or run Facebook, Mr Hornby says that, along with all other critics of the company, I’ve got to go.
Fortunately, the Derby Telegraph operates no such policy. Providing I don’t overstep the bounds of public decency, or expose the newspaper to the scrutiny of Messrs Sue, Grabbit and Run, I can pretty much write what I like here.
So now I’d like to tell you about the day I became persona non grata on the buses. It all started when I asked Trent Barton why they were switching our Mickleover service from the Bus Station just as the Uttoxeter Road roadworks, that for six months had caused such massive delays, had ended. I asked about the public consultation that had apparently cemented this decision. My opinion hadn’t been solicited. Nor, come to that, had that of any of my fellow passengers. I’d seen no leaflets. Nor had the drivers I quizzed. The views of 100 people, taken over three weeks, amounted to asking less than five people a day. It was, I said, hardly a comprehensive exercise. The company’s answers were vague, so I persisted. Eventually, it offered a face-to-face meeting so that its views might be better explained. I asked if, in turn, it would be prepared to listen to opponents’ views. There was no answer. My query had been taken as a refusal to meet. Then came my ban.
In 45 years spent earning spent a living from writing, as journalist, author and publisher, I’ve never before been censored. Not that I’ve ever tried to operate in Soviet Russia, or China. Not brave enough. But I’ve crossed swords with more than a few people. I’ve regularly had a swipe at politicians. To a man and woman, they’ve taken it on the chin.
Trent Barton, it seems, isn’t so inured to criticism. Its Facebook page isn’t really a forum, or a sounding post. You can only go on it if you agree with company policy. Alex Hornby told me that I was “causing conflict among fans which is something we are not willing to promote”. In other words, you can only join in if you’re on his side. So, in fact, I’ve not been banned outright. Just banned from asking awkward questions. If I express undying love for Trent Barton, then presumably I’ll be welcomed back. But if I question decisions that daily affect me, then I’ll be banished to some hypothetical gulag where the company’s critics are parked, away from public gaze. Whatever your views on where your bus service should start and end, that can’t be right. It’s all really rather odd.
In the meantime, thisisderbyshire blogger Geoff Alcock – he’s an ex-pat Derbeian from Littleover, now resident in Phoenix, Arizona – tells me: “You could see it coming. I remember in 1943 they had a sign inside their buses prohibiting you from spitting. It's a gradual eating away of your rights.”

Anonymous said...

Sorry, it seems that you can't post a hyperlink into the 'Comments' section. Even a 'cut and paste' has also failed to be accepted - strange.

In any event, a prominent author has complained that Alex Hornby is trying to 'muzzle' him, and others, so that they cannot make any complaints against Trent. - Google 'Alex Hornby' 'Anton Rippon' and it should bring up the article in the Derbyshire Telegraph.

Anonymous said...

Here is the 'banned from free speech' link:

Trent Barton Facebook Ban

HEALTH WARNING there are always 2 sides...

N90734 said...

Can't do better than repeat my post of 22 July re. a complaint that balooned into a (Bournemouth) Daily Echo news story -
http://omnibuses.blogspot.com/2010/07/wise-old-hand-once-said.html

"... So, what to do (when customers complain first via the local rag (or Twitter, Facebook, Youtube etc)

First up: Don't compound the complaint by handling it badly. Have a rapid response ready and rapport with the local press to ensure they publish it, (or prevent the complaint being published in the first place).

Secondly, Prevent it happening again. What's the procedure for dealing with this situation? Either there isn't one (management omission #1) or the driver didn't know it or wasn't following it (management omission #2).

Thirdly: take a leaf out of Sainsburys etc.'s book on the academic theory of consumer complaining behaviour and complaint handling.

People complain with one of three aims in mind:

(1) a parting shot prior to them never using your service again
(2) recompense
(3) to give you bad publicity - "negative word-of-mouth" (now upgraded to "negative word-of Facebook, Twitter et al").

TYB and First Manchester (the recent disabled passenger refused on board nonsense) are getting a dose of (3).

Complaints are a management opportunity. Skilful complaint handling can give you a win-win.

Win #1 A potential ex-customer who becomes a potential advocate for your company (the First Manchester incident was 'turned round' by rapid action by the top brass).

Win #2 A chance to improve your service.
...."

Anonymous said...

Have to agree totally with N90734. This action - if truly reported (no reason to think not) - is just the sort of thing Trent could do well without.

Anonymous said...

Thanks for bringing this to readers attention. I stand by what I said about the usefulness of negative feedback (as repeated in this month's BUSES too!), irrelevant of Mr Anton Rippon's views, as posted by 'anonymous' earlier today. Here follows an important lesson and quandary for companies using facebook. Furthermore, I'm only suggesting this is one way of dealing with such a problem - it may not have necessarily been correct!!

All the feedback made by Mr Rippon was taken on board, before it then went beyond the point of usefulness, we then received comments from customers who felt uneasy contributing and then informed Mr Rippon he was being removed from our facebook page. A one-on-one meeting was offered to discuss his views which has not been accepted, irrespective of his claims. Since then, I have received personal attacks linked to his blog and many comments from a customer who identified himself as his daughter who has offered further feedback which has been dealt with robustly. All of this feedback remains published.

Unfortunately, his comments disappeared with him, so to speak, which was not the intention. You will see views of both sides on the site to prove our willingness to take on board negative feedback if you check the site now.

There remains a quandary of dealing with negative feedback. Its all welcomed without exception, but the question is what do you do with continual, even relentless, feedback which questions your integrity and/or resorts to personal attacks, when you want a clear policy of responding to all feedback. And, how do the other customers who make 44 million journeys a year with trent barton feel when your time is taken up dealing with one individual.

Alex Hornby, trent barton

Anonymous said...

Alex,

Many thanks for the clarification. On this occasion, the ability of Mr Rippon to use the Derbyshire Telegraph to air his concerns has, I assume, ensured that many more people are now aware of the matter - had it remained with your (relatively few?) Facebook members then it might have been easier to limit his comments to a few people.

Anonymous said...

Alex is right to say that it can be a real quandary to know how to deal with some of the feedback received through social media such as Facebook.

On the one hand, people consider that Facebook is a public forum and that if any comment is removed their right to freedom of speech has been impaired and something underhand is going on.

On the other hand, Facebook is a means by which companies can keep their customers informed clearly and concisely about things that are happening, and it can be difficult if readers have to wade through excessive amounts of one person's views.

At Velvet we receive mercifully few complaints, but our policy is that any complaints posted on our Facebook page will be left in situ, along with our response and any others added.

However, there are two scenarios where we have chosen to remove comments or even block contributors.

In both cases this is a difficult decision to make and one hopes that one is protecting the interests of many even if at the expense of the freedom of speech of the individual.

The first scenario is where a contributor has complained and littered their post with bad language or personal attacks on named individuals. We will remove these posts but then post a comment ourselves explaining what we have done, and why.

In the second case, we have occasionally had individuals who have used our page to post a stream of fairly inane questions, one after the other for day after day. This has the effect that someone trying to read the page finds it full of one person's queries about the movements of specific vehicles and such like. In some instances these individuals will also post replies to other people's questions which - while well-meaning - can simply be incorrect.

Once we perceive that someone is abusing our page in this way, we will contact them privately and explain our concerns, and then if they persist we will block them.

Hopefully people can see from this that while negative feedback is indeed welcomed in almost every case, there are rare instances where judgments have to be made for the benefit of customers as a whole.

Phil Stockley
Velvet

RC169 said...

N90734 said...

'People complain with one of three aims in mind:

(1) a parting shot prior to them never using your service again
(2) recompense
(3) to give you bad publicity - "negative word-of-mouth" (now upgraded to "negative word-of Facebook, Twitter et al").'

I'm not sure I agree with that summary - it appears, on the face of it, slightly cynical.

Over the years, I have had a few occasions to complain to transport operators, but my objective would generally have been to encourage an improvement in the service in the future - in the self-interested hope of not having to suffer the same inconvenience, etc, again. I regard such complaints as 'positive' in that, potentially, the service will be improved, and the operator will not lose my custom if they deliver - in other words, 'win - win'. Your three aims don't really cover that - (1) clearly doesn't apply, because I am prepared to use the service again; (2) may apply if money has been wasted, but does not apply to matters like delays or staff attitudes (e.g. the Manchester wheelchair incident); and (3) is clearly not relevant, since I have complained direct to the operator concerned.

I think therefore you should allow for a category of complaints where the customer/passenger wants the service to improve, because they (may) want/need to use the service again. It should not be difficult for an operator to respond in a manner which demonstrates that they share this objective (presumably, most would!), but as my examples quoted in the post show, some operators still find that difficult!

Anonymous said...

N90734 said...
"People complain with one of three aims in mind:

(1) a parting shot prior to them never using your service again"

I'm not sure that's entirely true of complaints about public transport. I would suspect that many people who rely on a bus service would have no other choice but to continue to use that service and would not have the opportunity to take their business elsewhere.

"Complaints are a management opportunity. Skilful complaint handling can give you a win-win"

I have contacted my local operator, Veolia (in Wales) on two occasions. Firstly, I wanted to complain about a service which I relied on to travel to work where buses frequently didn't run or broke down - the final straw was waiting for an hour and a half in Cardiff in the pouring rain drenched to the skin because they had pulled their last two buses. I had a standard reply in the post.

Veolia recently rebranded their abysmal X6 service, bringing in branded newer vehicles, all of which have an email address for comments. The rebranding has been a success - buses have been on time and I haven't yet had a problem with any services not running (this I suspect may have something to do with a new MD and/or Stagecoach running in competition). The new service featured later running buses, including one leaving from Aberdare at 2300 and returning from Cardiff at 0015 on a Friday and Saturday, which is the last bus to leave the Welsh capital!

I thought I'd email some feedback to comment how much better the rebranded service was, adding that I thought they should advertise their later services and maybe have timetables available on board for customers to be aware of these additional services. This time I heard nothing back from the company.

Good customer services are essential. Some years ago my wife contacted Cardiff Bus about services frequently running early. She had a very good response that suggested the company had looked into the issue and were going to resolve it. She had few problems afterwards.

N90734 said...

Perhaps I can amplify Complaint Aim #1:

Here, people complain because they want to feel they matter and their voice is being heard, and (often) use the only weapon they have - to threaten to withhold their future custom.

I agree with the Anonymouses (Anonymi?). Many do genuinely want to improve the service - and this is a good opportunity for a management win-win.

I think we must all sympathise with Alex Hornby.

Once all reasonable attempts have been to resolve the complaint, maybe a closing statement is published and you leave it to burn itself out. Least said, soonest ...

But personal attacks, etc. are clearly unacceptable and should be removed and the reason published.

However, time taken up with one person ... the cost of Facebook, I'm afraid. (and there were serial complainants even in the old pen and paper days).

Adopting Facebook, Twitter etc is a two-edged sword, as companies in other fields are finding out. The web provides a simple method for complaints to be broadcast far and wide, especially where the company provides an invitation to do just that. A few will go too far ...

So, for bus operators thinking of getting their own page: bravo, but plan for this sort of eventuality.

frankfrog said...

I live about half a mile from Anton Rippon, so I thought I should make my first contribution to this blog and provide some local background.

Anton has a weekly column in the Derby Telegraph, with a large following. He doesn't drive, and he regularly criticises motorists and praises local bus services in his column. I'd think that most bus managers would regard such a rare specimen as someone to be carefully cultivated and certainly not offended.

His daughter, Nicola, is a well-known local author in her own right, who has been commenting on the "Mickleover" Facebook page since it was set up. As a newcomer to Derby, Alex Hornby may not have known who she was, but his staff should have.

Alex has deleted all the recent comments from the Rippons from the Facebook page, but not the replys, so the content is now virtually unintelligible, even to a local.

I do find it odd that Mr Rippon claimed on a Facebook page not to have known about a consultation which was (and still is) advertised on that page. It was also advertised on the website. I didn't see any flyers on buses, but I wasn't looking for them.

The timing of the Press Release announcing the shortening of the Mickleover route could not have been worse, being the day after five months of major roadworks had ended. The bus I caught that day was early into the city centre for the first time since they had started. I know that there are other roadworks which continue to affect the route, but a high proportion of passengers wouldn't see these and thought that it was a case of "shutting the stable door after the horse had gone".

I'm not a Facebook member, and I only occasionally look at Trent's pages, so I didn't see any of the offending comments. But I thought that the whole point of Facebook was that it was interactive, not just a rehash of a website. In that case all views should be welcome, as on here. The "Transpeak" Facebook page continues to contain lots of grumbles about the vehicles used, justifiably so in my opinion. Are we going to see Trent pulling those?

I will say that most local users do appreciate that Trent, unlike some bus companies, do attempt to interact with passengers, even if, as in this case, not altogether successfully.

Anonymous said...

I live about half a mile from Anton Rippon, so I thought I should make my first contribution to this blog and provide some local background.

Anton has a weekly column in the Derby Telegraph, with a large following. He doesn't drive, and he regularly criticises motorists and praises local bus services in his column. I'd think that most bus managers would regard such a rare specimen as someone to be carefully cultivated and certainly not offended.

His daughter, Nicola, is a well-known local author in her own right, who doesn’t shrink from expressing her opinions in her books. She has been commenting on the "Mickleover" Facebook page since it was set up. As a newcomer to Derby, Alex Hornby may not have known who she was, but his staff should have.

Alex has deleted all the recent comments from the Rippons from the Facebook page, but not the replies, so the content is now virtually unintelligible, even to a local.

I do find it odd that Mr Rippon claimed on a Facebook page not to have known about a consultation which was (and still is) advertised on that page. It was also advertised on the website. I didn't see any flyers on buses, but I wasn't looking for them.

Anonymous said...

I had a problem, either with trying put my name on, or by trying to post too long a comment, so this is part 2.

The timing of the Press Release announcing the shortening of the Mickleover route could not have been worse, being the day after five months of major roadworks had ended. The bus I caught that day was early into the city centre for the first time since they had started. I know that there are other roadworks which continue to affect the route, but a high proportion of passengers wouldn't see these and thought that it was a case of "shutting the stable door after the horse had gone".

I'm not a Facebook member, and I only occasionally look at Trent's pages, so I didn't see any of the offending comments. But I thought that the whole point of Facebook was that it was interactive, not just a rehash of a website. In that case all views should be welcome, as on here. The "Transpeak" Facebook page continues to contain lots of grumbles about the vehicles used, justifiably so in my opinion. Are we going to see Trent pulling those?

I will say that most local users do appreciate that Trent, unlike some bus companies, do attempt to interact with passengers, even if, as in this case, not altogether successfully.

Alex Hornby, trent barton said...

Thanks for the additional comments from anon @ 1420/1423. To clarify, we have not deleted comments as such, only the removal of Anton following the persistent feedback that had gone beyond the point of usefulness, which began to question our integrity and attracted complaint from other users. Nicola's comments remain; we have not deleted all comments from the Rippons (The comment "Alex has deleted all the recent comments from the Rippons from the Facebook page" is not true). Please do visit our mickleover page and you shall see them.

As you rightly point out, the crux of the complaint was as a result of Anton questionning our consultation and its reach - something that caused us a concern. The basis of consultation is to listen to as many people's views as possible to help ensure you make a decision that satisfies the majority. When this is repeatedly questionned and doubted, it can be frustrating, especially when the whole point of doing it in the first place was a demonstration and a geniune methodology of seeking your customers' opinion. On that whole basis, the entire issue seems somewhat ironic.

You will not see us pulling any/all negative comment - despite what may be alleged. But there does remain a boundary of negative feedback by which the dialogue outlives its usefulness and/or becomes disrespectful. You will never find us hiding from it though, by ever way it is transmitted. We remain a customer-focussed business, first, second and last.

Anonymous said...

http://antonrippon.thisisderbyshire.co.uk/2009/05/customer-is-always-right-but-not-in.html

Just to illustrate what Trentbarton are dealing with here!

Anton Rippon said...

A few points:
Any comments about Mr Hornby were linked to a Derby Telegraph news story about Trent Barton pulling a hospital service from Derby bus station. None were linked to my blog, as he says here.
My daughter (who Mr Hornby refers to as "himself") clearly identified herself. She is a more regular user of the bus than even I am. She is perfectly entitled to her opinions.
Mr Hornby says that my comments "disappeared along with him". That's true. Mr Hornby had them all removed.
He also had removed two comments from Trent Barton drivers supportive of my views.
I didn't refuse to meet Mr Hornby so that he could explain better his reasons. I asked if I could also explain mine at the same meeting. He never replied.
As "Anonymous" says, I have been a champion of public transport generally and Trent Barton in particular.
I have no personal issue with Mr Hornby. I don't know him and have formed an impression of him only through his comments. He claims to know that a "silent majority of hundreds of thousands" agree with him, and he has taken to calling our local MP "my colleague". But I'm sure he is a very nice man.

Anonymous said...

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

If apparently so many people are unhappy about this change, perhaps a petition could be gathered, and the strength of feeling presented to the company to ponder and reflect upon.

I can't think why a bus company would wish to upset loyal passengers,so why exactly has the service been altered ?

A bit of tact and diplomacy needed here I feel.

Anonymous said...

I have been following this story and it seems to me that it is the same few people who keep on complaining. Unfortunately, some people have to realise that just because they shout the loudest doesn't mean that other people's views have to be ignored- it seems that people leaving negative feedback are actaully very small in number!

Trent Barton have confirmed that consultation took place and they have taken views and feedback onboard from this and made their decision using that feedback.
Looking at the various places this is being discussed, I think it is quite clear that Trent Barton have responded fully to all comments and there has to a point where some people accept that a decision can not always be entirely to the satisfaction of all - but the reasons for it have been made clear. Of course everyone is entitled to have their opinion and to disagree with or challenge something - but this doesn't come with the right to expect changes to be made in line with your opinion! I personally feel that Trent Barton have shown a lot of consideration to answer people's questions/concerns relating to this story - surely a line has to be drawn at some point??!!

Anton Rippon said...

A line was drawn under it when Alex Hornby declared that he would brook no further comment from anyone not in favour of the move.
The consultation, by Trent Barton's own figures, amounted to 100 people "polled" in three weeks – less than five a day. I simply asked if that was considered wide-ranging enough.
The whole thing has got out of hand. I made only four comments on its Facebook page, none critical of Mr Hornby who I didn't even mention, despite what he claims here. There was no vitriol. I wish you could still see my comments but, alas, they have been erased. Had I not had an email from him (to which I couldn't reply as my email had apparently been then blocked) telling me that I had been banned, then the whole matter would have died down.

Anton Rippon said...

It is, of course, difficult to counter statements that aren't actually true (Just one example of many is: "Since then, I have received personal attacks linked to his blog": This is untrue. As I said, a couple of personal comments by people I don't know and who have never met were linked to a separate news story. None at all were linked to mine).
This is just one example where the reaction has been, to say the least, disingenuous. Had it not been, then I wouldn't have felt the need to post on here.

Anonymous said...

Trent do have a problem here with this retired (?) journo guy; a sad, obvious serial moaner with far too much time on his hands! Can he be banned from this site too?!

Anton Rippon said...

How sad. Informed debate has ground to a halt. I rest my case.

Anton Rippon said...

Except to say that it would be truly wonderful if the snipers who sign themselves as anonymous had the courage to print their full name and location. When you can do that, then you can be taken seriously. Goodnight, Great Britain.

Anonymous said...

24 posts ...obviously this is entertaining everyone ! A bit like the good old days of the Bluestar Beep Bus versus Velvet ding-dongs.

Now who did that involve again ?

Anonymous said...

It's reported elsewhere that Trent appear to have removed the Facebook pages that used to exist for 'The One', 'Route 18' and 'Royal Derby'.

Anonymous said...

"24 posts ...obviously this is entertaining everyone ! A bit like the good old days of the Bluestar Beep Bus versus Velvet ding-dongs.

Now who did that involve again ?"

Was it Phil Stockley??

; )

Anonymous said...

"24 posts ...obviously this is entertaining everyone ! A bit like the good old days of the Bluestar Beep Bus versus Velvet ding-dongs.

Now who did that involve again ?"

Was it Phil Stockley??

; )

Anton Rippon said...

http://www.thisisderbyshire.co.uk/news/Bus-bosses-think-direct-hospital-link/article-2591853-detail/article.html