When we wrote yesterday about the New Bus for London, we knew there was something afoot. We weren’t sure what to expect. Say what you like about TfL’s morning launch yesterday, it’s gotten people talking about buses. Surely a good thing. And say what you like about the politics behind the project, you have to admit that Wrightbus has come up with something strikingly different, brave, courageous even. Whatever this bus is, it isn’t just another double deck—though notwithstanding the large open platform, it’s still a large glass & metal box which means, without aircon or hopper/ventilators, it will certainly do what double decks tend to do: steam up in winter and boil passengers in summer.
The first thing that struck me was that it looks a little like those beautiful Alexander J/AL type bodies on Bournemouth Atlanteans & Fleetlines from the 1960s. Plus it has something of that je ne sais quoi about it, perhaps an element of those strange, raked Dublin Metsec bodies used by CIE. Add a side profile of the Nottingham specials of the 1970s, with part glazed stairwells and the frontal asymmetry of a Gateshead hybrid single deck and you have quite a mongrel. In short, it wasn’t so long ago on this blog that we were discussing that curved designs make better buses. If that’s indeed true, here we have something very much in that mould (some might say “jelly mould”) that passengers will love and respect, though we suspect it will polarise opinion. Mind you, the rear curves & dome look just a little over cooked.
Video walkthroughs and paper designs as on display by TfL often show products off to best advantage. Things do change when you see a mock up or a production design. Good examples of where paper didn’t quite translate to reality include the Plaxton Elite and the Optare Rapta.
What’s left to say about it that the media haven’t? Not a lot. One thing is for sure, though, a new Routemaster it is not. For one thing, it’s wider and far larger and longer, and may have trouble weaving through London’s traffic. For another, there’s a considerable wheelbase there and overhangs front and especially rear. The RM had no such front overhand, of course. And it won’t have a rear platform with conductor at slacker times. Presumably this includes the evening, just when passengers might benefit from a second crew member. Ah well.
Whatever this bus is, it isn’t just another double deck. We stand by our comments yesterday about whether London really needs a bespoke design. If it’s to have one, though, this may as well be it. Better than the designed-principally-for-London Titan and DMS, that’s for sure. The New Bus for London has the appeal and gravitas that came with the RT and RM, only in an updated and modern package. Thankfully, it has shunned the TfL competition winners. Though, as we’ve said before more than once, the more outrageous the design, the quicker it dates.
Tuesday, 18 May 2010
Valiant Effort or Mongrel?
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Tuesday, May 18, 2010
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I'd be surprised if it didn't have either aircon or opening windows in the final model. But it will at the very least (all new London buses have for a couple of years) have the upper deck forced-air ventilation system, which is a bit noisy but very effective at preventing steam-up and that nasty musty smell of rot you used to get in buses because of the damp.
(I find it a real shame that that system isn't really used outside London - it really works, and all it is is a row of extractor fans t the back, so it can't cost much.)
As for the design itself, as I said elsewhere I think it is to the RM as the New Mini is to the original Mini - looks faithful to the original but with a few modern twists, a bit bigger and properly accessible. I personally quite like it.
Its not a bad looking bus but i think it looks slightly old fashioned it looks more like a Leyland Atlantean than any routemaster
PS I do love the atlantean though
A solution to a problem that did not exist...and a very expensive one at that. Price per bus please ??
I think it *does* look like a Routemaster, it's striking in its resemblence to a modern version of FRM1.
Yesterday I hated it but today it seems to have grown on me!
I don't see why it should cost all that much more than a normal Wright hybrid decker. If they've got any sense, it should be basically one of those with a bodykit.
Neil - I disagree. If it's true to the original Routemaster concept (and to meet their efficiency targets etc) then it needs to be monocoque, much lighter-weight and accordingly much cleverer about use of materials and how/where they're deployed. They can't achieve that if it's just a 'Gemini in drag' - that'd just be a cynical marketing concept...!
Anonymous @ 14:38 has a point there. Of course, if it does have those features, and the durability of the RM, then maybe it will also last twice as long as the other current offerings from the manufacturers serving the British market. If it also offers better energy efficiency, then the greater initial cost (and development costs) may be justified.
Of course, whether the politicians realise the importance of those 'less visible' aspects of the RM is doubtful. I suspect that in this image-obsessed world, the appearance is what matters.
I definitely agree about the Atlantean look of the front of the upper deck. Something more akin to the RM or RT dome would be more applicable for London and would surely not have been too difficult. I definitely like the back though, as the dome shaped roof perfectly captures the essence of the RM. I definitely look forward to seeing and riding this bus in service.
WHY does it have 3 doors? WHY?
also at night the back door is locked and not in use.
Mmmmm i have seen this bus somewhere before i think, in the 1960,s in Italy,,,
http://www.negri.it/torino_in_bus/torino_in_bus_05.htm
A Turin Viberti bodied double decker with 3 doors,,,
[football chant]
What a waste of money!
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.... yeah, yeah, I know, London is completely different from every other city in the world, and has to have special things no-one else has ...
Just to enlarge on what Neil said, since late 2006 all new London buses actually have a proper air-chilling system on the top deck, which is basically air-con without the recirculation.
Er, do they? So far as I know they are *just* an air circulation system without the chilling. Indeed, the way it works is to suck air out at the back, which is replaced by air coming in through "leaky" windows. Just a row of big fans, that's all.
It is a very effective system that should be fitted to all deckers nationally (it is very disappointing that operators outside London ignore it) but aircon or air cooling it is not.
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